Yeah, I know I already asked this question, but I wasn't really satisfied with the way people expressed their thoughts. Also, this is about a full-game villain that is the big bad and something that you know from the start. Not some Giant Space Flea from Nowhere that has no foreshadowing.
Can you extrapolate on this, maybe? How similar to Sauron are we talking, here?12:57, November 25, 2013 (UTC)
- Has several notable similarities, (minimal amounts of dialogue and screentime, distant but constant presence throughout the story, symbolized by an eye) but is completely different in terms of character and motivation. Since this is a 40-60 hour long game, this villain should probably have a lot more screentime and dialogue than Sauron. But still very small compared to other Final Fantasy villains.
- But if you ask me, I think a passive villain would be a refreshing change from the in-your-face type villains that the series usually has. Sauron isn't your typical villain, but what made him so memorable is that he wasn't some generic bad guy that constantly boasted about his superiority or constantly took swings at the main heroes and always lost. No, he was a mysterious force that had a menacing presence which was only solidified by his minimal amounts of dialogue. Sauron doesn't win because he's lucky or has a massive advantage in power over the heroes, it was because he was actually competent. Unlike most other villains in fiction.
- I prefer villains that converse with the heroes a few times at least. Sauron was one of my least favorite villains due to this. My answer is no. 01:15, December 1, 2013 (UTC)
- Honestly, what's wrong with having mystery and sublety? Do want pathethic excuses of villains like Exdeath or Xande? Also, how does lack of on-screen interaction with the heroes make him a boring villain?
- I found Exdeath as a fine villain but beside that, Mystery is fine. As for sublety, I just didn't like that Sauron had no character traits (with the exception of villainus) and therefore, I found him very boring of a character. The same goes for Xande. 20:08, December 5, 2013 (UTC)
- But to be fair, Sauron at least didn't boast or monologue every five seconds. Also, you should try reading the Tolkien books if you want a better impression of his character.
- Yep, contrary to popular belief, Sauron's personality is pretty fleshed out for a character with such minimal presence. He's pragmatic, charasmatic, and is smart enough to manipulate foes that are more powerful than him into destroying themselves.
- Yeah, I enjoy a badass villain with an intriguing personality and awesome feats. But the point is I'm trying to make is just because a villain doesn't appear much or have its personality explicitly shown doesn't necessarily mean that they're bad characters. Also, as much as a fantastic villain Kuja is, I personally think that a 8-foot tall black knight and a giant flaming eyeball on top of a tower can be taken much more seriously than a transvestite that wears a man thong. Even if the former doesn't have much subtlety to his design.
- Kuja's not meant to be intimidating, though. You're meant to pity him. -- ∙ ∙ 09:07, December 1, 2013 (UTC)
- In all honesty, I thought Sauron was a terrible villain. Granted, for a book series, the mystery behind him worked, but in a visual medium like the films, Show, don't tell is law. The movies keep banging on about how he's this colossal threat to the world, but you don't see it. The first major battle with his army at full strength that we see, they lost. Sauron dies from getting his finger chopped off, and we're never shown why he's worth worrying about, because again. The one time we see him at full power, HE LOST. And the battle was the full strength of men and elf waltzing into his base and taking his army head on, without any other sign that he even did anything beforehand.
- If you're going to use a villain in a game or movie, you have to convince the audience WHY he's a threat. Show evidence, don't just say shit. That's not convincing, and it doesn't make a threatening villain. The only time I've seen Sauron's power displayed, the source was a non-canon video game. And even then, it didn't really explain anything. So no, I don't think a character like Sauron would make a good FF villain, because the audience is more convinced if they see firsthand what a villain's capable of, not just be told about it. That's why visual storytelling exists in the first place. Sure, Kuja looks like First Place in the Young Tim Curry pageant, but you're quickly convinced of the threat he poses when he starts murdering people and destroys a planet, without them just saying what an awesome villain he is. 01:01, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
- This non canon game you speak of Locke, is that the one where you can play as Sauron and slaughter all the hobits at The Shire?. 12:29, December 18, 2013 (UTC)
- It is indeed. 17:33, December 18, 2013 (UTC)
- I highly recommend that you watch The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug. Sauron plays a pretty important role in it. There you'll see Sauron's power actually being displayed unlike in the beginning in Fellowship of the Ring. Great movie by the way.
Alright, I can understand why a lot of people on this site dislike Sauron. But personally, I think he's a great villain in his own right. His mystery what was made him appealing to me. Can you imagine if Sephiroth physically manifested himself as a omninous looking eye? Just for laughs? They should call it the Eye of Sephiroth.
Actually, thinking about it, Sephiroth kind of did a somewhat similar thing to Sauron. By that I mean hanging around in his hideout, letting his underlings do the work (Jenova parts in this case), and searching for some magical artifact. And both FFVII and LotR have a very ill-humoured main character. Though Frodo was better in the books, wasn't he? I seem to remember him not having the same facial expression for the entire story in the book. Why is it that every little side character was more interesting than him in these movies? Eh, besides the point. I don't really object the idea of a Sauron-like FF villain, but he gotta have some more personality than Sauron. Maybe do that thing where you get little cutscenes of the villain in his evil fortress contemplating about his plans whenever you do something specific in the game? Like in uhh.... Monkey Island 2? ... that is a weird example. Nevermind me, I'm off installing Battle for Middle-Earth 2 and Edain Mod. MeinGroessterFan 14:14, December 24, 2013 (UTC)
- They should have given the One Ring to Sam. Just sayin'. -- ∙ ∙ 23:01, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
- Iunno. Sam was mean to Gollum. I liked Gollum. On that note, I wish I could be a hobbit. Just eat al day. What a life. MeinGroessterFan 01:30, December 31, 2013 (UTC)
If Square were to ever write a villain like Sauron, then they need to add some unique features in order to not make him too much of an expy. Like the villain is an embodiment of all the different types of human nature both good and bad. Sadly, judging by the responses I received, a Final Fantasy villain similar to Sauron would probably be poorly received by fans. Probably because of the fact that Sauron has very small amounts of screentime and dialogue. And fans of the series are used to villains that talk regularly and confront the heroes in person frequently. I can imagine fans complaining about the villain's lack of engaging dialogue and its vague backstory. People might even say Exdeath has more personality than him.
Oh my god are we still talking about this?22:34, December 30, 2013 (UTC)</p>